Originally by: Ralph42nd

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Originally by: CCP Navigator

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Hello everyone,

While we all appreciate that this is a very hot topic item we would urge you to be constructive and on topic with your feedback. Personal attacks, flaming and trolling will not be permitted and posts of this nature will be removed by the Community team and may result in a warning or ban. We want you to discuss this issue but it must remain on topic and friendly.

We would also advise you that posting "٩๏̯͡๏)۶" or "Free Abathur" are considered spam and will also be removed.

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Please keep silencing your customers because we disagree with you and yours. This tactic cannot possibly come back to bite you in the ***, or ***, or eve in your ***.

Oh dear if only EVERY other company in the world could get away with silencing their unhappy customers, oh wait ... no they can't.

Every new player heard about t20 pretty quickly. Everyone will hear about this too.

If you would simply answer our questions and LISTEN to the FEEDBACK we HAVE provided YOU, this would be water under the bridge.

You have a drooling idiot employed to balance the largest, most expensive ships in the game and he has ZERO (0, none, nadda, not a) clue how the game actually works. Can you explain to me why this is the case? Can you explain to me after the hundreds and potentially thousands of complaints you have received in this thread and other you have chosen to ignore us? Have your reprimanded this idiot in anyway?

Can you explain in clear concise english :words: why you are having issues pushing forward the changes the player base said was cool and wanted? Can you explain rationally why all these changes are being undone? Are we to believe you are going to change nothing about dominion aside from making 0.0 space less worth keeping and more worth quiting over? Also taking AOE DD's away from titans without an appropriate back up (what mom's would have been amiright) will see titans less used in battle than ever before, is there a reason behind this design decision?

All your ideas are stupid, childish, idiotic and shameful. At one point I as well as thousands of other players were looking forward to the big game changing patch, now we have to think about if it's worth resubbing for or not, and you don't care because we are saying bad stuff about you on your forum and your clearly in a PR stance of ignore it and maybe it will go away. Did the T20 threadnaught go away? Have your past ******ed blemishes gone away?

This thread has moved from it original topic to a demand for accountability at CCP Games, and if you can ****ing deal with that perhaps you should harden the **** up, and learn to play your own game, because you'll be the only people on the planet with a copy of it on your computers.

Fire that ****** Nozh, implement the changes the players tested and said were cool and were working. Else explain why not.

And don't post in this thread again with a warning about trolling and spamming when you won't answer what you have been asked.

TDLR : Fire Nozh, 'splain yourselves, STFU about people being ****ed off.

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Originally by: Sertan Deras

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So Titans don't have a defined role, but you are still going to release them with their incredibly powerful buffs, yet completely ignore motherships for another six months. Why not just release the incredibly powerful buffs to motherships until they have a defined role? The logic doesn't even begin to make sense.

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Also, if Dreadnoughts can no longer shoot battleships effectively, I expect battleships to no longer be able to shoot cruisers effectively. If the most expensive ships in the game aren't allowed to defend themselves from a smaller ship class, than the mentality should go all the way down the ship tree.

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Originally by: Khefron

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Originally by: lord cyrez

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first: i have to admit that i'm not too familiar with the recent turret/tracking formular changes - but my understanding is, that if the target does not move, the turrets sigresolution does not alter the equation, thus ships signature radius is no issue at all - as long as it doesnt move?

since no movement is the case for sieged dreads, the main target for other dreads, turrets presumably always hit for full damage?


anyway - i'm one of the shafted phoenix pilots, so i crunched the numbers for missiles.

-25% Signature Radius derived from a spec'd Claymore pilot.
-37.5% Signature Radius derived from a spec'd Ragnarok pilot.

Citadel Torpedo Explosion Radius: 2,250m
Ship/POSSigRadiusSig/ExpRadius-25% SIG-37.5% SIG
Revelation1700-24%-43%-53%
Phoenix1770-21%-41%-51%
Moros1740-23%-42%-52%
Naglfar1635-27%-45%-55%
Small POS1000-55%N/AN/A
Medium POS2000-11%N/AN/A
Large POS4000full dmgN/AN/A

Citadel Cruise Explosion Radius: 1,500m
Ship/POSSigRadiusSig/ExpRadius-25% SIG-37.5% SIG
Revelation1700full dmg-15%-29%
Phoenix1770full dmg-11%-26%
Moros1740full dmg-13%-27%
Naglfar1635full dmg-18%-32%
Small POS1000-33%N/AN/A
Medium POS2000full dmgN/AN/A
Large POS4000full dmgN/AN/A

so... shooting torps at any dread will net me -21% to -27% anyway?
a fifth to a quarter of my damage will *always* be lost?

and if the enemy fleet has some evasive maneuvers ganglink in it, maybe even on a non-minmatar command ship, i lose -41% to -45%?

a ragnarok doesnt show up that often, but might become flavored with this change, and would make things even worse. -51% to -55%. having any sig radius reduction going on within your enemy fleet encourages phoenix pilots to stay home and... dunno, spank NPCs.


if my assumption about turrets is true (sig radius irrelevant if target is stationary), theres no wonder why naglfar and phoenix pilots are checking in for the front row of your nerfbat roundhouse kick.


so... did you, nozh, or your associates, even run the numbers on this?
dreads shooting dreads while losing at least 20% damage anyway?

is this intended?
if yes: seriously... just reduce the torp base damage and adjust the explosion radius. easier calculations for the server, if you like torp users to be mitigated in damage anyway.

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everyone quote this man because he is 100% correct

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Originally by: Ralph42nd

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Originally by: miltom

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Originally by: Gimora

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Originally by: Kraken Kill

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Just do this.

Motherships Get Dread Jump range.
Motherships get 20 Drones at Lvl 5 carrier.
Citadel torps AND Cruise get 1500 Explosion Radius, Torps (and compact get roughly 60ms explo velocity).
Motherships get a EHP buff.
Fighter Bombers (with 20 fighter bombers and lvl 5 fighter bomber) do roughly 8000 dps+
Motherships cant dock
Motherships dont get build costs reduced
Motherships lose triage and clone vat to balance the increased damage.

Titans Get 5minute DD timer.
Titans get the same damage as 2-3 Dreads (8-12k dps) with lvl 5 Titan.

Naglfars dont get a split weapon bonus (the dread with 4! weapons should be doing the most damage. Currently the Nags artys with EMP (20 shots) has to reload every 5 mins, which is sooner than every other dread and it requires carrying more ammo types).

Phoenix should get a 5% ROF damage bonus and a 5% bonus to ALL missile damage types.
Cit Cruise and torps should have 1500m explo raduis, being make smaller with skills for the cruise so they are effective against large pos mods and small pos. Right now Turret ships can still hit medium and small pos mods for massive damage while missile dreads FAIL extremely FAIL at this.

Do this and ALL problems will go away. Everything will be good. Harmony will spread out among the player base.

This is TESTED BY THE PLAYERBASE and everyone was in agreement. Only your shortsighted Egomania felt that Capships being used aggressively was a bad idea.

Also- I think you are out of line starting your post with a 'Lets see' as if the players are all idiots and have missed something.

You CANNOT impliment ANY of these Titan changes if you are going to leave motherships as they are.
You have also forgotten to do any work on Triage- It was said originally that Triage duration would be cut to 5mins and strontium consumption would be reduced.

Why you feel Torpedos need something so bizarre as a 3000+ explo radius ive no clue, you are terrible for causing more problems with your problem ideas.

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Why not just do what all pepole want?

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SIGNED

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/signed again and again and again

DO THIS

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Originally by: Ralph42nd

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Edited by: Ralph42nd on 20/11/2009 20:04:16
Wow, way to nuke another page.

You do know it's being mirrored elsewhere right?

Originally by: Kraken Kill

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Just do this.

Motherships Get Dread Jump range.
Motherships get 20 Drones at Lvl 5 carrier.
Citadel torps AND Cruise get 1500 Explosion Radius, Torps (and compact get roughly 60ms explo velocity).
Motherships get a EHP buff.
Fighter Bombers (with 20 fighter bombers and lvl 5 fighter bomber) do roughly 8000 dps+
Motherships cant dock
Motherships dont get build costs reduced
Motherships lose triage and clone vat to balance the increased damage.

Titans Get 5minute DD timer.
Titans get the same damage as 2-3 Dreads (8-12k dps) with lvl 5 Titan.

Naglfars dont get a split weapon bonus (the dread with 4! weapons should be doing the most damage. Currently the Nags artys with EMP (20 shots) has to reload every 5 mins, which is sooner than every other dread and it requires carrying more ammo types).

Phoenix should get a 5% ROF damage bonus and a 5% bonus to ALL missile damage types.
Cit Cruise and torps should have 1500m explo raduis, being make smaller with skills for the cruise so they are effective against large pos mods and small pos. Right now Turret ships can still hit medium and small pos mods for massive damage while missile dreads FAIL extremely FAIL at this.

Do this and ALL problems will go away. Everything will be good. Harmony will spread out among the player base.

This is TESTED BY THE PLAYERBASE and everyone was in agreement. Only your shortsighted Egomania felt that Capships being used aggressively was a bad idea.

Also- I think you are out of line starting your post with a 'Lets see' as if the players are all idiots and have missed something.

You CANNOT impliment ANY of these Titan changes if you are going to leave motherships as they are.
You have also forgotten to do any work on Triage- It was said originally that Triage duration would be cut to 5mins and strontium consumption would be reduced.

Why you feel Torpedos need something so bizarre as a 3000+ explo radius ive no clue, you are terrible for causing more problems with your problem ideas.

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/signed again

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Originally by: Shredded

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HEY CCP! KEEP DELETING POSTS!

The playerbase will be happy if you can't hear them being unhappy, right?

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Originally by: Kalexander

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Originally by: Cedori

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The amusing part IMO, they are deleting the posts of people who are posting that they are canceling.

Really? We truly have converted the EvE Forums into lokta.org, the circle is now complete.

It is obvious Nozh has no idea how the game operates, nor how cap/supercap battles happen. As such he should not be within 10,000km of any decision regarding caps/supercaps.

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He probably doesn't. Lots of people who work on video games don't really play the project they're on. That doesn't mean the entire design team that settles on decisions is as clueless as he is though. One guy isn't given that much authority.

And yea, they probably delete those "i quit" posts because you and I both know those people are not really going to make good on it. They love this game still way to much to not at least see this through for a little while.

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Originally by: Darriele

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Ignoring the problems will NOT make them go away CCCP, they will just become stronger!

Just answer us already, why were Abathur changes discarded?

Why do you even have "testing" and ask for "feedback" if a mid level dev can undo everything at the 11th hour like "sry, nop"?

Why are you deleting perfectly legit posts from your paying userbase with no explanation?

Seriously, How do you expect this to end?

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Originally by: Christos Hendez

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I SEE WHAT CCP IS TRYING TO DO!!! They are trying to end the war!!!


if you look through this thread, its got NC, Goons, AAA, IT etc all agreeing with each other.

Now, if CCP dont think AAA & Goons agreeing is something special, then you must see flahing lights when you see ex-BoB quoting Mittens saying +1?

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